Notes from a late night conversation...
My brother is here with his friend, and along with my Mom, we have delved into a philosophical/governmental debate which arose from an initial discussion in regards to the perception of our current war on Iraq.
What started as an amusing, Bush bashing good time.... has turned into a full blown philosophical debate about how a society thrives.
I find the debate a little tiring, though I usually enjoy such conversations.
Sayers (my brother's friend) made the comparison of the current war in Iraq with the conflict between the Athenians and the Spartans. He said that if Athens had been more aggressive they might have sustained their way of life. He claimed they should have taken an offensive as opposed to a defensive position in order to subdue the threat.
Now he then says that this comparison supports the war on Iraq!
Now, call me crazy (and many do..) but to parrallel that conflict, wouldn't it make more sense for us to attack the people that attacked us?
Newsflash for those who weren't around on Sept. 11th.... it was Afghanistan...Osama Bin Laden....
Not Saddam.
It would seem to me that while we are out playing hide and seek in Iraq, we are leaving ourselves vulnerable to the real threat.... hey, remember Al Qaeda?
How easily we forget. Bush & Co. keep ramming it into our skulls that Sadaam had weapons of mass destruction and connections with Al Qaeda.....over and over and over and over again ad nauseam.....
And yet, there is this tiny little thing called PROOF.
Saddam and Osama are enemies. They could not form any kind of alliance based on their very difference of ideals. Osama considers Saddam to be an infidel!
It behooves anyone who wants to know what's really going on in the middle east to take some time and actually study the different religious and cultural differences before grouping them all together in one big Axis of EEEEEVILLLLLLLL.
Hey, they're all the same, right? Osama=Saddam=Osama=Saddam.... same difference...right?
That's the crap we're fed by Bush & Co. every day, and people eat it up because they're too lazy to take the time to find the truth!
Now, I'm not saying Saddam is a boyscout... yeah, he needs a good arse kicking. HOWEVER...
when we are sending our brothers and sisters and children to war, it needs to be for a good reason. We need to be focusing on the REAL threat.
If a man walked up to you and pulled a gun on you and threatened to kill you...or if they even shot you in the foot, would you shoot the guy standing next to you who never threatened you or attacked you? And would it not also stand to reason that while you are attacking your neighbor, the REAL bad guy might have a better opprotunity to attack you?
It's common sense. Something I think our current regime is severely lacking.
Ah well, enough rambling from this pinko-commie for the night. Time for me to take a more active role in the conversation. I am being a bit of a wallflower..sitting outside on my laptop. (I love wireless internet!)
What started as an amusing, Bush bashing good time.... has turned into a full blown philosophical debate about how a society thrives.
I find the debate a little tiring, though I usually enjoy such conversations.
Sayers (my brother's friend) made the comparison of the current war in Iraq with the conflict between the Athenians and the Spartans. He said that if Athens had been more aggressive they might have sustained their way of life. He claimed they should have taken an offensive as opposed to a defensive position in order to subdue the threat.
Now he then says that this comparison supports the war on Iraq!
Now, call me crazy (and many do..) but to parrallel that conflict, wouldn't it make more sense for us to attack the people that attacked us?
Newsflash for those who weren't around on Sept. 11th.... it was Afghanistan...Osama Bin Laden....
Not Saddam.
It would seem to me that while we are out playing hide and seek in Iraq, we are leaving ourselves vulnerable to the real threat.... hey, remember Al Qaeda?
How easily we forget. Bush & Co. keep ramming it into our skulls that Sadaam had weapons of mass destruction and connections with Al Qaeda.....over and over and over and over again ad nauseam.....
And yet, there is this tiny little thing called PROOF.
Saddam and Osama are enemies. They could not form any kind of alliance based on their very difference of ideals. Osama considers Saddam to be an infidel!
It behooves anyone who wants to know what's really going on in the middle east to take some time and actually study the different religious and cultural differences before grouping them all together in one big Axis of EEEEEVILLLLLLLL.
Hey, they're all the same, right? Osama=Saddam=Osama=Saddam.... same difference...right?
That's the crap we're fed by Bush & Co. every day, and people eat it up because they're too lazy to take the time to find the truth!
Now, I'm not saying Saddam is a boyscout... yeah, he needs a good arse kicking. HOWEVER...
when we are sending our brothers and sisters and children to war, it needs to be for a good reason. We need to be focusing on the REAL threat.
If a man walked up to you and pulled a gun on you and threatened to kill you...or if they even shot you in the foot, would you shoot the guy standing next to you who never threatened you or attacked you? And would it not also stand to reason that while you are attacking your neighbor, the REAL bad guy might have a better opprotunity to attack you?
It's common sense. Something I think our current regime is severely lacking.
Ah well, enough rambling from this pinko-commie for the night. Time for me to take a more active role in the conversation. I am being a bit of a wallflower..sitting outside on my laptop. (I love wireless internet!)
posted by Liz at 1:58 AM
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